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Giles
Cheshire
746 posts
Reg: 5/5-06
Posted: 2011-07-13 10:25
.........a school friend (aware that I was into Genesis, early Queen etc) loudly declared on our way to lunch at King's School 6th form, "Demon!" he added, "There not my 'cup of tea' but my mate is well into them - I'll get a tape for you"

So, I borrowed a tape with NOTD on one side and 'The Plague' on the other. I thought 'The Plague' was very good but NOTD not so good, but liked it all enough to pursue further interest for sure. It sounded like "thinking man's rock" to a degree - something somewhat lacking in the early 80s glam rock/hair metal/NWOBHM scene I seem to recall.

I then went on to University in Bristol, I never got the opportunity to see this band and heard little about them and kind of 'forgot' about them, what with everything happening in my life right then. I would re-acquaint myself with the band a few years later.

To be continued......

OnlySaneMan
Epworth, North Lincs UK
48 posts
Reg: 12/7-11
Posted: 2011-07-13 10:47   » Email
Your earlier posts did seem to point that you were a new fan of Demon, obviously not! Funny how Demon seems to be always there somewhere!

The Plague was always more than thinking mens rock, Dave at the time was researching Samuel Pepyes diaries, hence the references to Blackheath, nowhere to run etc, then add in his commentry on the then current political situation and the emergance of a new disease, you have more than alot to think about!!

Giles
Cheshire
746 posts
Reg: 5/5-06
Posted: 2011-07-14 11:16
.....In between 1983 and 1989, my only ?acquaintance? with Demon was to buy a copy of BSA from a record shop in Leek (that I think Dave owned or managed at the time) and to borrow 'Breakout' off a mate after seeing it advertised in Kerrang in 87 - I think. I was a bit surprised with BSA, in that Demon had clearly gone even deeper into the 'prog rock' thing, but nevertheless it was a very interesting work. 'Breakout' impressed me - especially the side one, but again I was surprised, in that Demon had gone back into more straight ahead rock. However, for me, this was a vast improvement on the first two albums as they featured the wonderful keyboard and song writing skills of a certain Mr Steve Watts. They had clearly found a good collaborator here for Dave, in my opinion, and had not lost their tendancy to use 'dynamics' in song writing - in fact, it was more powerful.

It wasn't until I started writing songs in late 1989 with a couple of other guys that I 'got back into them' (as it were). One of the guys (bass player) had a few Demon CDs (yes CDs! They were pretty rare then - especially of a lesser known band) - I seem to recall he lent me 'Breakout', but was somewhat reluctant about the others (one of which I think was 'Taking the world by storm') - I think they were treasured. I asked him how he got into Demon and he told me that he discovered them whilst at Sheffield Polytechnic - where they were playing. He told me they started with 'Nowhere to run' which I imagined as quite awesome as it had such a powerful introduction (btw, how do you play that completely excellent keyboard line in chorus??). We nicknamed him 'Bob the Demon'!!

To be continued......
[Edited 2011-07-14 11:17]

OnlySaneMan
Epworth, North Lincs UK
48 posts
Reg: 12/7-11
Posted: 2011-07-14 11:59   » Email
Sheffield Poly............. more memories!
The Masked Apple
29 posts
Reg: 13/7-11
Posted: 2011-07-14 14:34
Sheffield Poly.. yes a great gig IIRC.

I remember being there. I think Johnny Waterhouse was playing with demon on that gig. I remember Steve Watts and his roadie setting up the keyoards.

OnlySaneMan
Epworth, North Lincs UK
48 posts
Reg: 12/7-11
Posted: 2011-07-14 15:20   » Email
Who me Confused Confused Exclamation

Giles
Cheshire
746 posts
Reg: 5/5-06
Posted: 2011-07-15 10:45
......Bob's demonic anecdotes had renewed my interest in this band at a time when I was starting to write songs, sing songs and learn to play guitar and keyboards better. So, we (me and my two song writing buddies (Inc Bob the demon)) tootled off to Leek football ground to catch them live. No, it wasn't the 'stadium' they played, but the 'function room' - or - 'visitors lounge' - or whatever they call those poxy little bar-type rooms...but it did have a stage, albeit a bit small. Of course, Demon came on and made it look smaller being a six-piece outfit and they looked a bit crammed up there. First out was Steve Watts, if I remember correctly; he was wearing a leather waist coat and slammed a pint pot of beer on top of his keyboard. "Cool" I thought, liked the attitude. They launched into Hurricane, which blew me from the front row back about 6 rows! That's a lovely change from end of the intro (and the end of the chorus into the verse); it sounds like a key change to me and is bloody powerful with the rhythm the guitar uses too! Other non-musical things that I recall from that night was my mate getting so close to the stage that his hair nearly set on fire against some stage lights, getting so close to Nick on bass (yes, it was a small venue) that I could read on his fret spaces 'noisy bastard', again, 'Cool' I thought. Dave wore shades, a Fedora style hat and punched his thigh a lot - I liked the attitude of this band, there was a certain amount of under current 'anger' going on.


....."I'll take this please" I said to the sales assistant whilst handing over a vinyl copy of the 'Taking the world by storm' by Demon. I hadn't heard any of this record before (well, a couple of tunes from the Leek do), what I did hear was a thud as the beautiful flute, piano and strings melody gave way to a crunching heavy metal riff.....my jaw on the floor!!! "Wow, this is what I have been wanting bands to do for years and years and only a few have touched on!" I think I said to myself (!?)...and there wasn't just one epic on there, but at least three (with maybe one or two running damn close)! No wonder it was voted 'Best metal CD in 'What Hi Fi' magazine! I was very impressed and 'bang' back into Demon.

To be continued...........

Giles
Cheshire
746 posts
Reg: 5/5-06
Posted: 2011-07-19 17:26
.....I subscribed to the Demon newsletter/fanzine and was eager to be updated with news and views on my fave/rave band of the time.



After writing a few songs (one of which was an early version of 'A New Sensation' - the one which featured the 'newsreel' idea influenced by Demon's 'expressing the heart' see - http://homepage.ntlworld.com/giles.hardwick1/New_Sensation.wav ), the word got around that I could sing, and more importantly, that I was prepared to - in front of people!! I was very soon asked by a local rock band to audition for them. When I got to the audition, their bass tutor was present and pulled me to one side a little later. He asked me to audition for his band that had had (and still had - provided they could find a new singer!?) record company interest from 'Noise' (anyone remember them?). When he told me what they were about, they sounded MUCH more suited (and professional I might add) to me than the band I was auditioning for, so I joined them (Tanis) as lead singer.



Anyway, to cut a long story short, we were not 'a million miles' from Demon (as they were circa 1989/90); hard rock (although slightly dark and gothic) with symphonic overtones (orchestrated keyboards) and nice key changes/dynamics etc, so I wanted to influence them further towards this style if I could, and spent the next few months trying to do this (there's an interesting story later on, involving ourselves and Demon).



In the meantime, my desire to see Demon again was such that I got tickets (me and girlfriend) for the Wyatt's Lake outdoor gig in Wiltshire near a place called 'Tanis' believe it or not, some 300 miles from home. I'm not sure how this came about, but I 'had' to contact Ian Gillan's wife about accommodation (a three hour drive starting a midnight was out of the question) - I think she was organising the whole event - I'm not sure. She booked us into a nearby camp site.



Anyway, we got to Wyatt's lake site. A man immediately approached me and said " Hi, I'm Mike Stone, I?m making a rule of approaching everyone in a Demon shirt? (which I had on of course ? ?Taking the world? I got via the fanzine), this was nice. I have to say, it got boring standing in a field (this really was in the middle of nowhere), in poor weather with very little to do other than watch rather unknown bands. One band caught my attention 'Skeleton Swing' (I think it was) for the mere fact that the singer had 2 ft of legs and 4ft of body!!!??? I noticed Dave was in the 'arena' and the Demon transit van parked up behind the stage. I started talking to Johnny Waterhouse who was a very agreeable chap I seem to recall. He told me how he was asked to join Demon and about his hand gliding etc. At some point (and I can't recall when) in between bands, Steve Watts came out and played a sample on the keyboards 'You're all gonna die!' it claimed - I loved it!! As the concert started to reach the climax of the headlining act (Demon) later that evening, the rain started to hurl it down and I started to fear the worst. After Lionheart's set, people were frantically 'busying' about the stage in the name of safety. Scott Crawford came on, wiped his symbols with a look of real sadness and upset (think it was the symbols more than anything else!!), I then knew it wasn't going to happen. Johnny Waterhouse came to the front of the stage (where I was) and leaned over 'we can't do it Giles, sorry, it's too much of a safety risk'. I was gutted, went back to the camp site in the torrential rain and regretted the day very very much.



To be continued..................

Giles
Cheshire
746 posts
Reg: 5/5-06
Posted: 2011-07-25 15:30
....After a period of time, I told our manager that a support slot with Demon would be great for us, so we got another guy to call Mike Stone. Tony (representing us) spoke to Mike said that Mike had told him that they were 'sick of being booked into toilets' (I don't know if that is what Mike said, but I understand what he meant if he did.) and so was keen for us to organise it all. Tony also said that he was told that Demon were playing the track 'Hold on to the dream' live recently and when it finished, the only sound to be heard was that of a pool ball dropping into pool table pocket! Apparently, that was 'the last straw' as far as Steve Watts was concerned, and he left soon after that. Again, I have no idea of the truth of that tale.

Mike Stone sent us a free copy of 'One Helluva Night' (the live album) which was nice of him, but no more came of it.

We went to the Wheatsheaf (anyone recall this joint? see link) in Stoke to catch Demon live, but got there to find that they had cancelled (not much fun after 22 mile journey), I wasn't having much luck getting to see this band ever again!

Steve Watts had left the band and to be honest, when I heard that Demon were not at least getting a new keyboard player, let alone trying to replace, what (I believe) was then, a major major major element of the band, I lost a lot of interest. For me, Demon without keyboards is not at all whole - regardless of some of the more straight ahead rock efforts they had done. I didn't buy 'Blow Out', I had a passing interest in Dave's solo album, but found it difficult to come by (got it eventually), and they did little-to-nothing for the next 8/9 years or so, until in 2001 I saw on the internet that they were doing a gig in ?The Pride of the Moorlands? pub in Leek. This forum was quite busy then, I recall a Mark Potts (GOT) and some 'Fredie Vincent' chap (I think, from the States) being particularly active and I decided to go to the gig.

To be continued..............
[Edited 2011-07-25 16:08]

GOUDG
Kidsgrove Stoke On Trent Staffordshire England
339 posts
Age: 54 years
Reg: 8/5-06
Posted: 2011-07-27 17:16   » Email
Ive been a demon fan since one day in 1980 when I walked into a record shop in smallthorne stoke on trent and Demon had a signing session for the launch of the Liar single,I had been a regular customer of this shop and the Terry blood record store in stoke run by clive cook and aslo from time to time bought stuff from clay records in hanley Owned by none other than the madman himself.

Myself and my friends never bought records from any other shops and for quite a while I didnt realise Mal or Dave were Demon,my very first demon record was the red vinyl Liar single which unfortunately got damadged in an accident and luckily for me replaced years later by a good hearted friend.

My first Demon gig was in 2001 at leek football club just before the release of spaced out monkey and ive not looked back since having made lots of new friends along the way.Thank you Dave,Mike and co for bringing us your great rock classics over the 30 years Looking forward to hearing the new album when its released
[Edited 2011-07-27 18:17]

Giles
Cheshire
746 posts
Reg: 5/5-06
Posted: 2011-09-10 16:51
I was going to add the final part to 'the story' but thought that nobody was particularly interested.

However, you may be interested to watch and hear our brand of 'symphonic rock' (in 1991), that I mentioned, as inspired by the Demon album 'Taking the world by storm'.

Unfortunately, the digitised version from the original tape hasn't really carried over the big orchestral keyboard sound, but you may get the idea.

I would dedicate this song to Steve Watts;

Steve Watts
93 posts
Reg: 11/11-10
Posted: 2011-09-11 01:38   » Website
Just checked out your YouTube channel Giles, great to hear your music and to see you perform, I can't believe we very nearly gigged together all those years ago. I think that that would have been great fun...your brand of rock would have complimented Demon perfectly at the time, and vise-versa of course.

Thank you for the dedication - it's much appreciated and deeply affecting on so many levels. Time will tell if a cold dish turns out to be appetising.

Please carry on with your blogs. It really is interesting to read about yours and other Demon fans recollections regardless of whether they generate discussion. Plus a good old debate (or even the odd row) is far more preferable to idly sitting back and watching the tumble-weed roll past.

Perhaps a more "open" forum would encourage more open discussion?

I've been thinking about setting up a forum within the DDR - Demon Archive room, where Demon fans could post their own stories and upload their own memorabilia to share with others - what do you think?

I'll be giving everyone a sneak - preview of the animated opening screen soon....all very exciting isn't it...

Over and out for now Giles (and you silent majority out there) - look forward to speaking with you (and meeting you) soon.

Best for now

S
[Edited 2011-09-11 01:52]

Giles
Cheshire
746 posts
Reg: 5/5-06
Posted: 2011-09-11 11:31
As usual, thank you Steve for the intelligent, articulate and thoughtful response.

From what I know, the gig was left to oursleves to organise and pay for the PA etc. It was planned for the leisure centre in Macclesfield as the venue and would have featured Demon as top of the bill of course, with ourselves as support. Unfortunatley, as you know, it never materialised, but it was most certainly discussed and agreed upon in principle. Yes, a shame, the bands would have complimented each other, and it would have been good exposure for both bands at a time when Macclesfield had a BIG rock fanbase - many of which would had forgotten, or not heard of, Demon.

The dedication is meant in all sincerity, and it is a dedication on various levels (as you will be aware), not least of which is the big 'orchestral' keyboard sound of course.

Regarding the video; it's interesting to put 'a snapshot' out of what we were doing, but I have to say that I cringe when I observe my hair, my antics, my clothes and my 'immaturity' back then. But it was 20 years ago, and I think we could all do that to a large degree.

I will continue to 'blog' for the reasons you suggest, and I would argue for a more 'open' forum, but unfortunatley 'argue' then can become the 'operative' word with people. I love the idea of a DDR forum, but if Demon fans here don't really engage into discussion, why would they on the DDR one? But, who knows? Also, by then you may well have your own DDR fanbase by such a time, so I reckon, yes, do it! I'll be there!

I'm looking forward to listening to some more of your music, seeing the website develop, and of course chatting with you.

All the best

Giles

The Only Sane Man
Northants, UK
54 posts
Reg: 2/6-11
Posted: 2011-09-25 15:36
Really enjoyed this little retrospective Giles - nicely written, and very evocative of the time Smile

Giles
Cheshire
746 posts
Reg: 5/5-06
Posted: 2011-09-26 11:31
Thank you Pete.

Giles
Cheshire
746 posts
Reg: 5/5-06
Posted: 2011-12-07 22:49
This is my last upload of my musical work from the Tanis/President era 91/92. The significance of this is that this was the time we were supposed to support Demon (or shortly afterwards) and is kind of related to the original blog here.

My new years resolution is to produce a solo project at last.

Anyway, this is another song about Revenge (we only did two -honestly!!).

Once again, please excuse the clothes and hair (and hard rock poses), but the music still stands up I think.

Oh, and that's a bar of 6 (time signature) in the chorus and not a cock-up - it caused mayhem as anything does that makes people think!
[Edited 2011-12-07 22:50]
NP: Steel Monkey - Jethro Tull

Steve Watts 2001
134 posts
Reg: 5/12-11
Posted: 2011-12-07 23:09   » Email
Ha ha ha!! GREAT stuff Giles! Loads of passion in the performance and I really like the song. There's an interesting mix of hard rock and dare I say it post-progressive in there, particularly Marillion and Twelfth Night.

Love that big classical keyboard introduction to! Shame we never got the chance to tour together, could have been fun.

ps: I think that's an excellent New Years resolution to make!

pps: Been reading through your blog again and I think this would make a very good contribution to the DDR Demon archive room: even better if you would care to expand on it...interesting how another related story has begun some 20 years later... there you see; you NEVER know whats just behind the corner! We may even end up on stage together?

Funny also...I was thinking about possible DDR live work next year and "What Do You Think About Hell"; "Remembrance Day" and "Time Has Come"...hmmm...
[Edited 2011-12-07 23:20]

Giles
Cheshire
746 posts
Reg: 5/5-06
Posted: 2011-12-08 08:48
Hi Steve.

Thanks for positive feedback.

Yeah, I think both Marillion and Twelfth Night were subconscious influences (as I listened to both). Queen, Alice Cooper, Sisters of Mercy, Magnum, Rush, David Bowie and definitely Demon (particularly Taking the World) were also rather conscious influences at that particular time. The big classical intros were my idea really, but David Lightning (classically trained like yourself) was excellent at coming up with stuff like that. He often wanted to go more 'rock n roll' with stuff but I didn't, I want to go more 'pomp rock' - for want of a much better term!!

I will re-read my blog and may expand and knock the whole thing into shape if it would interest people.

It IS a shame we didn't share the stage Steve, I think our personalities would complement each other in music - both studio and live - from what I know. Both into the drama, passion, theatre of music - and turning it all into a movie soundtrack! Ha ha!

Live DDR work sounds interesting. If you did want to DO any re-workings of Demon tracks (or any musical project for that matter), that would be REALLY interesting. Nice idea.
[Edited 2011-12-08 08:53]

Giles
Cheshire
746 posts
Reg: 5/5-06
Posted: 2012-02-29 11:51
......I arrived at 'The Pride of the Moorlands' and I met up with Mark Potts and his daughter who were friendly people. Mark had become a bit of a 'hanger-on' to the band - in a good way, he was doing promotional work (well, someone had/has to!!) for them including live photography.

I met Mike Stone (he wouldn't remember me from Wyatts Lake of course) and he told me about the new album 'Spaced Out Monkey'. I bought a copy off him there and then.

Demon played a decent set in the circumstances (a pub!). I got the entire band to sign my CD and drove home listening to it. I was surpised at how good it was (without Steve Watts and/or Mal of course) - one of the best Demon albums I had heard. All the 'Demonic' elements were there - or thereabouts it seemed. It remained in my car CD player for about 6 months!

My interest in Demon had been re-newed to a good degree, and I started to attend live shows that were in a radius of, say, 20/30 miles of my home. Most were at 'The Limelight' club in Crewe I seem to recall. A decent venue, but only a 'handful' of people would attend; me, Mike, that guy in the wheelchair (where is he these days?), Mark and a few others. It frustrated me that such a good album (Spaced Out Monkey) could not, it seems, have been appreciated to the level I feel it should have been. Then again, it frustrated me also that Demon never, for me, really played their stronger compositions live - still don't. They certainly were ALWAYS a better band than their 'status' (or indeed their own 'self-image') would suggest, and that was/has been/is frustrating to me period.

I started to visit the Demon discussion forum quite often, but noted how discussions were actually rarely about Demon - and it just seemed to be a social tool in essence. Also, I noted, to my great surprise, that the man (Steve Watts) who co-wrote a lot of their strong work in the 1980s seemed pretty much unacknowledged and forgotten. I even enquired about it from time-to-time to no avail. There was no mention of his departure in the biography, and he seemed to have disappeared altogether. That always sat in the back of my mind as a bit of a mystery. For me, he was the one that really brought keyboards to Demon.

To be continued...........
[Edited 2012-02-29 11:59]
HerrMarklepotz
Good Question!
31 posts
Reg: 10/2-09
Posted: 2012-03-07 08:11   » Website   » Email
Sorry, I thought this was the Demon forum...

Giles
Cheshire
746 posts
Reg: 5/5-06
Posted: 2012-03-07 08:47
..says the man that has posted once in about a year, and that was the highly 'Demon-related' "Oh you guys!"

Well go on then.....'talk Demon'.....I'm fascinated...
[Edited 2012-03-07 10:07]
demon drummer
stoke
383 posts
Reg: 6/3-11
Posted: 2012-03-07 22:40
giles where was this footage shot is it at a number of gigs or just one...it looks like the cheery tree in runcorn.I thought you were the keyboard player not the singer/its very pompy and of the period its funny to look back at stuff 20 years later and cringe i do it at the bands i was in .You looked cool at the time and i see loads of young rockers walking round in skinny jeans and hi top trainers my own son does it we can share clothes ha ha.

Giles
Cheshire
746 posts
Reg: 5/5-06
Posted: 2012-03-09 08:33
Hi Neil.

The first video (Revenge Is Sweet) is taken from gigs at Buxton Opera House (supporting Dumpy's Rusty Nuts) and RIO, Bradford. The second video (What You Give) is live at RIO, Bradford.

I was singer/songwriter (but I do play guitar and keyboards - not live though), and yes, we were 'pompy' (VERY) and yes, it is cringeworthy with respect to clothes and hair. I am still proud of the music though.

I always found a use for my old clothes...............I wear them!!! He he!!

PS The significance of showing them here (if this is all read in context) is that it was at that time Demon agreed to do a show with us.

Oh, forgot to mention: the clips in the recording studio (on first video) were at Real-to-Reel (good name innit?), Macclesfield.
[Edited 2012-03-09 21:05]
NP: More - Sisters of Mercy
demon drummer
stoke
383 posts
Reg: 6/3-11
Posted: 2012-03-09 21:40
Im jealous id love to play the opera house what a mega gig it is like a faberge egg,i saw go west there last year , i remember rios well the exact opposite of buxton .A proper sticky carpet black paint type of gig dumpy was ace in the late 80s he gigged his ass of i supported him many times ,i think he lives in burton now a real legend.

Giles
Cheshire
746 posts
Reg: 5/5-06
Posted: 2012-03-09 22:02
I'm jealous as I'd like to be gigging in Cyprus! Wink

The Opera House gig was excellent and an honour to play; we had a dressing room with a fridge full of beer and an on-suite shower! Dumpy was ace and very funny - you will know him better than me Neil.

Yeah RIO was very different; more of a rock venue I suppose. I'm not even sure it is still there.
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