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monkey
Stoke On Trent
365 posts
Reg: 18/2-06
Posted: 2012-04-14 00:05   » Email
2012-04-13 00:40:33
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Name: Marcus From: Ashley

Just been listening to Strange Institution, Have We Been Here Before, Lion's Share, Don't Break the Circle again....what a grandiose sound...what insightful lyrics, what a great band!!! I just don't get why they aren't played every day alongside Led Zeppelin, AC/DC et al every day on Planet Rock radio. You deserve greatness!! Thanks for many years of shivers up the spine!

Thanks Marcus from Ashley, Monkey

GOUDG
Kidsgrove Stoke On Trent Staffordshire England
339 posts
Age: 54 years
Reg: 8/5-06
Posted: 2012-04-19 08:34   » Email
Here Here so very true
Saleck
Huddersfield, UK
58 posts
Age: 31 years
Reg: 22/3-12
Posted: 2012-04-22 16:30   » Website
As a new fan, looking back on what i can find about the history of this band, the problem looks to be the Record Labels.
As far as I can see/find on the net, the band hasn't had a major record label throughout its existence.

Carrere Records - Doesn't look to have been major, small French label.
Clay Records - Independent label, some former people now run Jungle Records which looks to still be pretty small.
XYZ Metallic - German only I think, now XYZ Music which to date have only released 1 metal album (from what I can find)
Sonic Records - Cant find anything on this one.
Flametrader - Nothing on this one either.
Record Heaven - Swedish record shop/label, good for the Swedes.
Plastic Head - They have got loads of Demon stuff, but a lot of it is not in stock.
Spaced Out Music - Not sure about this one either. Thinking it's Demons own label from the merch store.

Bearing in mind I know nothing about music publishing but I reckon if the band could get signed to a larger record label. It would be a major step in the right direction for promoting.

Right now Demon are making a new album. It would be good time to maybe ship it off to some record labels to see if it could get picked up for distribution.
[Edited 2012-04-22 16:35]

Giles
Cheshire
746 posts
Reg: 5/5-06
Posted: 2012-04-27 12:57
Whist the above post is essentially correct, I feel the 'problem' runs deeper than that; they need to want it as well. These are the Demon gigs from 1985 - 1989:

June 12th 1985 - Nottingham, Mardi Gras
July 31st 1985 - London 100 Club
November 20th 1985 - Runcorn, Cherry Tree
December 15th 1985 - Bristol, Bierkeller
January 8th 1986 - Birmingham, Edwards No.8
21/4/86 Shelleys Longton Stoke-on-Trent
22/4/86 Barrel Organ Digbeth Birmingham
25/4/86 Red Lion Gravesend Kent
31/5/86 Scruples Wolverhampton
21/6/86 Mardi Gras Nottingham
06/7/86 Barrel Organ Digbeth Birmingham
26/7/86 Maryport Civic Hall Cumbria
31/7/86 100 Club London
15/10/86 Derby Rockhouse
November 4th 1986 - Birmingham, Edwards No.8
No Date 100 Club London
December 30th 1986 - Stoke, Shelleys
09/12/86 Kings Hall Stoke
January 9th 1987 - London, 100 Club
February 24th 1987 - London, Walthamstow Royal Standard
July 2nd 1987 - Nottingham, Mardi Gras
July 21st 1987 - Birmingham, Edwards No. 8
04/11/87 Edwards No 8 Birmingham
15/12/87 Bierkeller Bristol
16/12/87 Edwards No 8 Birmingham
17/12/87 Greyhound Fulham
24/02/88 Royal Standard Walthamstow
No Date Bierkeller Bristol
02/07/88 Mardi Gras Nottingham
September 13th 1989 - Milton Keynes, Woughton Centre
September 15th 1989- Morecambe, Gardens
September 20th 1989- Bristol, Bierkeller
September 29th 1989- Lichfield, Arts Centre
October 6th 1989- Leek, Football Club
October 18th 1989- London, Hippodrome
October 24th 1989- Birmingham, Edwards No.8
October 31st 1989- Bradford, Queens Hall
November 1st 1989- London, Walthamstow Royal Standard

Does a record company take note of any band that plays some 8 shows a year in the the same 8 or so venues in the same regions of either Midlands or London?? That isn't working for it, sorry. The band could have been huge, but the desire was never there as far as I can see - OR, there has been a somewhat defeatist attitude (particularly with the UK - they will play outside the UK at the drop of a hat!!) from the outset is much more likely the case, and is reflected in the lyrics of 'Commercial Dynamite', 'Big Chance' etc etc.

Before one or two of you start ranting and raving about MY negativity and shit like that (because I'm not talking about what you had for your tea), just pause and think about it for a second if possible.
[Edited 2012-04-27 13:00]
NP: Do you know who you are? Magnum

OnlySaneMan
Epworth, North Lincs UK
48 posts
Reg: 12/7-11
Posted: 2012-04-27 15:40   » Email
Cant remember if it was 1980 or 81 that demon was asked to support saxon on the wheels of steel tour, however they would have had to pay 1000 for the privilege, a lot of money in those days.

They were on the same label at the time so dont understand why the frogs did not support them as much as saxon!

Not only that but other bands who supported saxon like battleaxe or Jon Fogerty, what happened to them, so perhaps we have been luckier than fans of other bands

I dont think it was through not wanting it enough, but not been able to afford it.

You have bands like the enid hawkwind and dumpy's rusty nuts who even in them days had a virtual cult following, and no major label supporting them either.
demon drummer
stoke
383 posts
Reg: 6/3-11
Posted: 2012-04-27 22:13
What you must remeber giles is that the band is and was a part time operation all the members had day jobs of sorts and to have time of is for some people awkward.There was never any tour support money and loads of labels had other bands from the same label as support,im unaware of the saxon tour dave has never mentioned it.I also think they were of an age where trawling up and down the motorways in a van to play to no people or an apathetic audience didnt and still doesnt appeall/its not as easy as you may think to get gigs even for a band like demon loads of venues expect you to pay to play.We play abroad alot because they want us to we never get any promoters calling us asking to play in the uk no one wants take any chances in the uk .If you try to book some gigs you will experiance it for yourself we can all play down the local boozer for no money we really dont want to do it,believe me dave still has fire in his belly to play live but its got to be worthwhile and its not allways money driven if download asked us to play for free we would for the exposure.......

OnlySaneMan
Epworth, North Lincs UK
48 posts
Reg: 12/7-11
Posted: 2012-04-28 14:27   » Email
Nice reply Neil, if me and the Kazza won the lottery then there would be no other band than Demon, who we would give money to so that they could get the acclaim they have deserved for over 30 years.

God bless Demon, God save demon!!

Steve Watts
93 posts
Reg: 11/11-10
Posted: 2012-04-30 10:11   » Website
Demon Dudes Revenge: An Adolescent Fantasy Vol.1 is OUT NOW!

CD AVAILABLE FROM: http://demondudesrevenge.com from 11: 03: 12

The CD is also available from AMAZON-ON-DEMAND U.S. and also world-wide as an MP3 album from all major Digital Distributors.

For further information, including exclusive access to DDR VOL 2 Audio demo's visit: http://demondudesrevenge.com

Enjoy!

Giles
Cheshire
746 posts
Reg: 5/5-06
Posted: 2012-04-30 11:39
What YOU must remember Neil is that the band is and was a part time operation from choice effectively. Excuses prevail. Every band starts out that way. The band has been, and is an expensive hobby. The sad part of that is that it takes some damn good musicians down with the 'deception' and whole bunch of frustrated fans. The way most bands (historically of course - you got X Factor today and a quick-fix/shortcut society) made a name for themselves (and hence attracting record company interest) is by going up and down the M1 in a van. Queen did (with a fucking grand piano in the back of the van), Magnum did about three uk tours (with no record deal) one year to build up interest and eventually a one-off deal for the 'Storyteller's Night' album that brought them right back and eventually a deal with Polydor and onto the NEC and Top Of The Pops even! ALL FROM GRAFT! ANY rock band you care to mention has gigged more extensively than Demon!

Oh and for your information: I have booked many gigs many times (now manage a band myself) and got us gigs we should never have had (as we were 'nobody') with drive and enthusiasm. We played after Extreme in Manchester once! I even posted here not long ago that I had many contacts for gigs in Manchester if you wanted me to 'make noises' - NO REPLY AT ALL.

I have been in places in Birmingham where they have thrown stuff at me on stage etc - it's part of the evolution and growing pains of a band that Demon have refused to go through. Of course some audiences don't like you. The idea is to build up a following and gain an audience and a reputation. The record label comes next, then support tours, the headline tours etc etc. But before all that you should tread the boards up and down the country if you really want it!

The really sad part of it all is that Dave is a VERY talented chap, and it is effectively wasted due to (what I think is) a 'political' stance in essence.

That list of gigs for that period says it all. I'm sorry to keep mentioning Magnum, but they very much represent how you could have been.

I can see it, if many of you others cannot.

PS Download may ask you to play for free if you looked like a band that gave a toss!! And then what would you do with the exposure gained? Tour?

PPS "and is reflected in the lyrics of 'Commercial Dynamite', 'Big Chance' etc etc. "

...and Hollywood.....
[Edited 2012-04-30 12:29]
Saleck
Huddersfield, UK
58 posts
Age: 31 years
Reg: 22/3-12
Posted: 2012-04-30 15:49   » Website
Now now chaps, let's keep it civil. The past is the past, nothing can be done about it.
Focus on the future a bit more ;)
demon drummer
stoke
383 posts
Reg: 6/3-11
Posted: 2012-04-30 16:49
Giles what YOU must remember is that magnum got signed to a major label after 3 years who then paid for them to go out on tour this raised the profile of the band,....driving up and down the motorway in a van nowadays is to a certain extent totally pointless playin shit holes to nobody .Believe me i see it day in day out in my shop real good stoke bands like...sworn to oath 3 young lads hungry for it totally commited in a transit playing all over england on there own or supporting other signed bands,and after 3 years of doing it non stop they still cant get signed or pull more than 50 people in rugby at a good venue.You may say they arent good enough i think they are as good as anything else out there.Its easy to get one of gigs in manchester brum london believe me i have many good contacts in this industry you dont play in bands for 30 years and not make friends ...whos the band your managing what are they doing to get signed driving up and down the motorway...good luck to you and them...Back in 1978 there was no internet you got in a van like magnum nowadays its not needed plus its not viable financially goin 150 miles to play to nobody losing money thats not my idea of fun...ive done this many times in the past and all it does is piss everyone in the band of...id like to no what gigs youve done in the past how many tours etc..Perhaps you should ask steve why they didnt gig much in the period he was in the band he should be able to tell you.As regards playing download its obvious that more people would visit the site purchase the albums perhaps ,if we got offerd the support tour to magnum do you think we would refuse...Yet again your negativity astounds me towards the band it really does slagging dave yet again what has he done to upset you ..on the other hand steve watts can do no wrong amazing just amazing
h o a festivalx2 keep it true festival x3
sweden rock festival x3 hard rock hell x2
bang your headx2
sweden rock cruisex1
bang your head revisitedx1
norway belguim holland greece cyprus spain italy austria usa
yeah we are a band that doesnt give a toss about gigs
[Edited 2012-04-30 17:08]
KCX
Washington,USA
30 posts
Age: 60 years
Reg: 25/2-07
Posted: 2012-04-30 17:50   » Email
Nice to see another appreciative fan. DEMON woulda/coulda/shoulda been bigger...Oh Yeah!...they were always better...but unfortunately because of the "usual suspects" (label,money,promotion,etc)...they never got the chance to have the advantages that many other bands got...doesn't mean they aren't as good as those "noticed" bands...HELL...in my opinion...they're way better than most of the lot that got their bigger break...but I truly believe (as do many DEMON family/friends and fans) that if all those ducks were all lined up...they would ('ve) ...taken the world by storm.
NP: Pretty Maids - It Comes Alive!

GOUDG
Kidsgrove Stoke On Trent Staffordshire England
339 posts
Age: 54 years
Reg: 8/5-06
Posted: 2012-05-01 15:37   » Email
oops double post
[Edited 2012-05-01 16:10]

GOUDG
Kidsgrove Stoke On Trent Staffordshire England
339 posts
Age: 54 years
Reg: 8/5-06
Posted: 2012-05-01 15:37   » Email
Giles wrote:
What YOU must remember Neil is that the band is and was a part time operation from choice effectively. Excuses prevail. Every band starts out that way. The band has been, and is an expensive hobby. The sad part of that is that it takes some damn good musicians down with the 'deception' and whole bunch of frustrated fans. The way most bands (historically of course - you got X Factor today and a quick-fix/shortcut society) made a name for themselves (and hence attracting record company interest) is by going up and down the M1 in a van. Queen did (with a fucking grand piano in the back of the van), Magnum did about three uk tours (with no record deal) one year to build up interest and eventually a one-off deal for the 'Storyteller's Night' album that brought them right back and eventually a deal with Polydor and onto the NEC and Top Of The Pops even! ALL FROM GRAFT! ANY rock band you care to mention has gigged more extensively than Demon!

Oh and for your information: I have booked many gigs many times (now manage a band myself) and got us gigs we should never have had (as we were 'nobody') with drive and enthusiasm. We played after Extreme in Manchester once! I even posted here not long ago that I had many contacts for gigs in Manchester if you wanted me to 'make noises' - NO REPLY AT ALL.

I have been in places in Birmingham where they have thrown stuff at me on stage etc - it's part of the evolution and growing pains of a band that Demon have refused to go through. Of course some audiences don't like you. The idea is to build up a following and gain an audience and a reputation. The record label comes next, then support tours, the headline tours etc etc. But before all that you should tread the boards up and down the country if you really want it!

The really sad part of it all is that Dave is a VERY talented chap, and it is effectively wasted due to (what I think is) a 'political' stance in essence.

That list of gigs for that period says it all. I'm sorry to keep mentioning Magnum, but they very much represent how you could have been.

I can see it, if many of you others cannot.

PS Download may ask you to play for free if you looked like a band that gave a toss!! And then what would you do with the exposure gained? Tour?

PPS "and is reflected in the lyrics of 'Commercial Dynamite', 'Big Chance' etc etc. "

...and Hollywood.....


Hello anyone there you awake Giles you must have been asleep for the last 30 years,Dave and Co have a very large following (you only have to look to germany and sweden to see that and thats just qouting 2 countries never mind others that have a large following for Demon))built up from not only touring as much as possible but also from musical output.Dave and co are unique in there approach both musically and to thier fans,Those of us True fans which you seem to know nothing about (being a true Demon Fan that is which seems to be an adolescent fantasy for you) appreciate that problems arise in the music business and being in a rock band or any band for that matter is never easy and damn hard work for both the band and manager.

What you seem to forget is Demon came close to getting a contract with a major label that hasnt been mentioned yet and had a release on that lable In 1983 Namely The plague on ATLANTIC RECORDS which was slated by a respected reviewer in a magazine that shall remain nameless,due to that review atlantic pulled out of a deal which included a tour with SAXON which could have catapulted Demon to a higher level events which were totally out of Dave and Mikes control,there has been no lack of dedication from any band members over the years the problems lie in un predicted unforseen matters things that have held back many long standing bands not just Demon and are out of those bands control. Also any problems steve thinks he has with Dave should be addressed in an amicable way away from this site and kept between him and Dave.

Over my years getting to know Dave I have found Him to be one of the most easy going and none offensive persons I know who has never lost sight of his routes and musically has NEVER sold out unlike some other performers Oh and while were at it there are other members of Demon who have contributed greatly over the years you seem to have conveniently forgotten that fact Giles,while I respect and admire steves contribution other members deserve and have been given the recognition they deserve as has steve so I myself cannot see what the problem is with both you giles and steve apologies to all for my rant but I am fiercely defensive of my friends and consider Dave,Mike and Co to be my friends as we all do.
[Edited 2012-05-02 16:51]
demon drummer
stoke
383 posts
Reg: 6/3-11
Posted: 2012-05-03 14:30
Steve Watts wrote:
Demon Dudes Revenge: An Adolescent Fantasy Vol.1 is OUT NOW!

CD AVAILABLE FROM: http://demondudesrevenge.com from 11: 03: 12

The CD is also available from AMAZON-ON-DEMAND U.S. and also world-wide as an MP3 album from all major Digital Distributors.

For further information, including exclusive access to DDR VOL 2 Audio demo's visit: http://demondudesrevenge.com

Enjoy!

demon drummer
stoke
383 posts
Reg: 6/3-11
Posted: 2012-05-03 14:32
OnlySaneMan wrote:
Nice reply Neil, if me and the Kazza won the lottery then there would be no other band than Demon, who we would give money to so that they could get the acclaim they have deserved for over 30 years.

God bless Demon, God save demon!!


Thanks for the offer mate we would love to jump on a proper tour in the uk ...now get that lottery ticket ..ha ha
Andy
33 posts
Reg: 16/2-11
Posted: 2012-05-03 23:55
It was very hard to get gigs in the eighties, just as it is today, unless you have financial backing or record co support. I remember doing the first Demon tour of Germany with China supporting, I bought a new set of strings for my precision and my jazz, cost me a fortune. To my horror every time China came off stage the bass player cut his bass strings off. They had a record company, we didn't. We got our dues in Munich just before the end of the tour. DEMON GENIUS
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