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monkey
Stoke On Trent
365 posts
Reg: 18/2-06
Posted: 2012-06-29 10:17   » Email
1. What do you think about hell? 803 Votes 14.39%
2. One small step 529 Votes 9.48%
3. Remembrance Day (a song for peace) 461 Votes 8.26%
4. Hemispheres (British standard approved) 137 Votes 2.46%
5. Don't break the circle 115 Votes 2.06%

What do you think, I would really like some interaction here, I have to say that DON?T BREAK THE CIRCLE is by far our most popular song with only 115 votes, so I wonder why What do you think about Hell gets 803 VOTES and supposedly you are only allowed one VOTE from the same computer methinks someone has gone to extraordinary lengths to achieve this, I would like to add I?m not disappointed with this result I just think it?s a shame it?s not accurate. Well that?s my opinion. Monkey
[Edited 2012-07-18 16:54]

russel
Sweden, Örebro
261 posts
Age: 51 years
Reg: 2/5-06
Posted: 2012-06-29 11:19   » Website
Popular song, but is it the BEST?

I voted for What do you think about hell!
It's Demon's best imho!
Love the heaviniess(?) and epic that song has.

GOUDG
Kidsgrove Stoke On Trent Staffordshire England
339 posts
Age: 55 years
Reg: 8/5-06
Posted: 2012-06-29 16:16   » Email
Mike the link does allow you vote more than once just tested it, may be some have been voting more than once for thier favourite track and album it needs to be fixed maybe Mix can sort it.

Max Schreck
Germany
29 posts
Age: 51 years
Reg: 6/2-09
Posted: 2012-06-30 15:57
"What Do You Think About Hell" is not the most popular Song but it is the best DEMON song ever, My all-time favourite Evil or Very Mad
Saleck
Huddersfield, UK
58 posts
Age: 32 years
Reg: 22/3-12
Posted: 2012-06-30 17:05   » Website
Thats a great song from my favourite Demon album so it should be there Razz

In fact, I didn't even know about that poll so.. voted, thanks ;)
NP: Demon - Night of the Demon

Giles
Cheshire
746 posts
Reg: 5/5-06
Posted: 2012-07-02 11:45
I've only ever seen a poll here for albums - so 'not guilty' your honour...where is a song poll???? As usual I expect no reply.

Talking of song poll, how come SOM is sooo low in the vote there? Shocking that.

Re songs, WDYTAH has to be one of the (if not THE) best anyway. I don't often use the word 'awesome', but in this case I think it can be justified....really! It's pure class IMO.

Giles
Cheshire
746 posts
Reg: 5/5-06
Posted: 2012-07-02 16:15
Found 'Best Song' poll now.

mix
Västervik, Sweden
49 posts
Age: 50 years
Reg: 12/2-06
Posted: 2012-07-02 23:38   » Website   » Email
It's been like that since we started the poll. One small step has always been in the top... Perhaps I should check the code, maybe half the votes always go that way :-D

lordherzkatheter
Germany
31 posts
Reg: 24/3-10
Posted: 2012-07-04 20:02
Well, over 800 votes for "WDYTAH" does sound a bit fishy, as well as "One Small Step" as #2 Laughing

Regarding "Don't break the Circle": most people I know (admittedly, all either German or French) rate Demons epic, progressive side much higher than the straight forward, hard rock stuff. Lurking around this forum, I'm aware that this is neither the way Demon are viewed in the UK nor the route Dave and Mike are interested in taking, but most Demon fans I know see them rather in a line with "epic" sounding bands like early Marillion, Magnum or Saga than, let's say, Saxon and early Leppard, no doubt aided by the fact that in Germany Demon were reaching the height of their poularity with "Breakout", "Taking The World", "One Helluva Night" and "Hold On To The Dream".

So it shouldn't be a surprise that non-UK fans probably prefer other things than Demon's home crowd.

(Disclaimer: I am in no way suggesting that Demon are wrong for going the NWOBHM route, because as artists they should - in my opinion - do exactly what pleases them, no compromises - if anyone dislikes it, there's plenty other albums/bands to listen to!)

Giles
Cheshire
746 posts
Reg: 5/5-06
Posted: 2012-07-05 10:26
Not sure if it IS 'rigged', but I think the concern is if it isn't, AND it is overwhelmingly the fan's favourite, then maybe we should start talking nicely to a certain Mr Steven Watts...ha ha!! Laughing
NP: Hound of Love - Kate Bush

lordherzkatheter
Germany
31 posts
Reg: 24/3-10
Posted: 2012-07-05 11:22
Why Steve Watts? AFAIK, he left the band years ago (and seems to be quite busy with his own stuff these days anyway), so they certainly wouldn't need any permission to play songs he co-wrote?
[Edited 2012-07-05 11:23]
demon drummer
stoke
383 posts
Reg: 6/3-11
Posted: 2012-07-05 22:20
Nice reply ....it is another mega song and i think the band have played it live a few times however i think its a real screamer for dave to sing id love to have a go at ,again il plant the seed to mr hill

Giles
Cheshire
746 posts
Reg: 5/5-06
Posted: 2012-07-06 08:38
lordherzkatheter wrote:
Why Steve Watts? AFAIK, he left the band years ago (and seems to be quite busy with his own stuff these days anyway), so they certainly wouldn't need any permission to play songs he co-wrote?


Shocked A bit snappy and touchy? I wasn't necessarily referring to any particular legal aspect of this.....although......I was referring to respect/acknowledgement/credit - you know, that kind of thing.

Wink
NP: Tony Banks: Six - Pieces For Orchestra

Giles
Cheshire
746 posts
Reg: 5/5-06
Posted: 2012-07-06 08:43
demon drummer wrote:
Nice reply ....it is another mega song and i think the band have played it live a few times however i think its a real screamer for dave to sing id love to have a go at ,again il plant the seed to mr hill


No disrespect but you've not a "cat in hell's" chance of pulling that off live (in your current live scenario) and doing it any justice.

You would need an orchestra and a very tight pair of trousers (plus lots of vocal effect) for Dave.

I'd love to see/hear it though and didn't even know you had attempted it.
[Edited 2012-07-06 08:44]
NP: Tony Banks: Six - Pieces For Orchestra
demon drummer
stoke
383 posts
Reg: 6/3-11
Posted: 2012-07-06 11:25
Aah giles i have refrained from answering any of your questions to see if you still persist in making your disrespectfull comments,and yes true to form you have.So you are implying that the current line up doesnt have the musical talent in the band to perform wdytah and that without steven watts we couldnt play it,and i presume fazza hasnt got the ability to play it......

If you care to read back over stevens past posts you will see that THEY tried to perform the song and in his words found it difficult to recreate the song,i would imagine because of the enormous amount of parts he played on it,you could cheat and play to a click...yes i can before you ask...this to me allways feels like cheating ..so yet again you have jumped to conclusions without any knowledge or thinking before you post yet another stupid comment on here,people really are getting fed up with your constant bile so why dont you have a break from the forum for a while and do us all a favour ..

Giles
Cheshire
746 posts
Reg: 5/5-06
Posted: 2012-07-06 12:36
......First of all, they are not disrespectful comments, they are merely questions and statements that are not superficial and about how good you all are, what you had for dinner, how bright your site is, and how unlucky you have been etc. But I don't expect you to appreciate that really.

Secondly, the only filthy bile came from you threatening actual bodily harm over an issue you have never been able justify in any one example. I don't want to do you a favour, you would never intimidate me away from the site (or intimidate me at all for that matter) - in fact, it is you and the general overall ignorance and stupidity here that has made me tenacious like this....I was once arguably one of your biggest fans! You can remove my 'user' of course, and that is what I would expect from you people to be honest.

OK, IF (and I really mean IF) you careful read and TRY (and I really mean TRY) to understand my comments you would understand that I do not imply that the talent in the current line-up of Demon is not enough to be able to perform the song live - just the conditions. As usual you target me with sheer misunderstanding. It is essentially a studio creation; I would say the same to Queen about Bohemian Rhapsody! Neil, it's NOT personal; no keyboardist could properly re-create the symphonic and orchestrated keyboards on that track for live. Even if you played to a backing track it wouldn't quite work, my point still stands and so do I.
[Edited 2012-07-06 12:54]
NP: Six pieces for orchestra - Tony Banks
demon drummer
stoke
383 posts
Reg: 6/3-11
Posted: 2012-07-06 14:24
Giles all you do is put up a snide comment then put a smiley face next to it as though that makes it ok what exactly do you want ,you put up questions that dont need answers ie bass players... on the start page if you look... song polls start page... your to busy thinking about moaning at frankly every subject to do with the current line up that you dont notice anything

Secondly everybody realizes what a major input steven had in the band and doesnt need you to keep telling us all ,hes a grown man im sure he could ask mike or dave about matters that frankly have nothing to do with me you or anybody else,so please stop going on about him all the time you clearly rate him as a major talent thats fair enough but please leave it alone or go on his ddr site and use that forum

lastly i never tried to intimidate you i just told you how i felt and still do feel, perhaps your man enough to come to a gig and we can speak face to face eh
Zeebline
Bellmawr, NJ
9 posts
Reg: 6/7-12
Posted: 2012-07-06 21:50   » Email
What Do you think about Hell is definitely my favorite song off the album. I love the part when Dave uses an effect on his vocals, similar to the keyboard effects on "Dogs" by Pink Floyd. The other songs are great. If I had to put my top 5 favorite tracks, I would have a very difficult time, but I will give it a try.

1. Don't Break the circle

2. The Spell

3. What do you think about Hell


4. Barons of Darkness


5. Walk in Your own light



But Grand Illusion, Never Saw it coming, Finale, Lion's Share, Beyond the Gates, 2nd Stage-Proxima, Fever in the city, No more Hell on Earth, Standing in the Shadows, I could go on....
Are all just as great. Zeeb (Steve)

monkey
Stoke On Trent
365 posts
Reg: 18/2-06
Posted: 2012-07-06 23:29   » Email
They are !

Giles
Cheshire
746 posts
Reg: 5/5-06
Posted: 2012-07-08 21:10
perhaps your man enough to come to a gig and we can speak face to face eh


What? And run the risk of being physically assaulted?? Because that's what you threatened if you saw me!!



Unless of course you want a fight?

What do you mean 'man enough'? You haven't played a gig in the UK since our 'disagreements'!!!!!!!
[Edited 2012-07-08 21:16]
the truth sayer
world
26 posts
Reg: 3/12-11
Posted: 2012-07-08 22:39
Ok wtf is going on here.i have only been on the site for a few weeks but i hope i can talk some sense into whoever runs the site i have loved demon since the 80's and only found the site a few months ago i assume monkey is mike stone ? Not sure if he polices the site or not but i find it fantastic that neil and other members of the band give there time up to come here on
The forum what i dont understand is all the crap from giles and an ex band member it is doing the fine name of demon a band i love no good to whoever runs this site either block them or close the forum this is just ridiculous (fingers in ears and tongue out to any smarmy answers from giles)
demon drummer
stoke
383 posts
Reg: 6/3-11
Posted: 2012-07-09 10:35
Giles i was thinking of just talking face to face so i dont have to guess if youre taking the piss with your clever remarks as its often hard to tell ...however if you want to fight... or i would imagine just a gentle bitch slap to your delicate cheek then thats fine aswell looking forward to your response .... insert smiley emoticon ...

Giles
Cheshire
746 posts
Reg: 5/5-06
Posted: 2012-07-09 12:52
OK Neil, I may come to the Blacksmiths if you promise to play some new songs and put down your boxing gloves...ha ha! I might even buy you a pint!!?

<-- couldn't resist animation - sorry!
[Edited 2012-07-09 12:54]

Steve Watts 2001
134 posts
Reg: 5/12-11
Posted: 2012-07-12 01:20   » Email
monkey wrote:
1. What do you think about hell? 803 Votes 14.39%
2. One small step 529 Votes 9.48%
3. Remembrance Day (a song for peace) 461 Votes 8.26%
4. Hemispheres (British standard approved) 137 Votes 2.46%
5. Don't break the circle 115 Votes 2.06%


Thanks everyone! Really great to see that "What Do You think About Hell" is No.1 in the Demon best song poll (I wrote it!) : - )

...oh... I wrote "One Small Step" as well...thanks again!

Sorry some of you think it's rigged.

Steve Watts

oh...and a good chunk of "Remembrance Day"...cheers!
[Edited 2012-07-12 01:23]

dEMON dUDES rEVENGE
VERY SOON...
7 posts
Reg: 4/7-12
Posted: 2012-07-12 01:28   » Email
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lordherzkatheter
Germany
31 posts
Reg: 24/3-10
Posted: 2012-07-14 09:08
Giles wrote: Shocked A bit snappy and touchy? I wasn't necessarily referring to any particular legal aspect of this.....although......I was referring to respect/acknowledgement/credit - you know, that kind of thing.


Didn't mean to sound snappy, but I don't know... from reading your posts I gather you're more a fan of Steves than of the band. Perfectly alright for me, but - and that's what I don't get: we all acknowledge and respect Steves input, I think Dave and Steve were an amazing songwriting team, but a reunion is never, ever going to happen. And, it's been almost twenty years since that split happened, and from what I've heard, Steve himself also wouldn't want to be back in Demon anyway.

To me, it's a bit like the people still complaining about Marillion's "new singer" Steve Hogarth (he's been the new singer for 23 yeras now...) going "I don't know, I only like the stuff from the Fish-era". Again, perfectly valid opinion, but if you dislike what the band does nowadays, why not listen to some other music instead? There's loads of it out there, and a lot of it is quite brilliant!

The Hill/Watts partnership is a ship that sailed past us a long, long time ago, so why not accept it and "get on with it"?
NP: The Psychedelic Furs - Dumb Waiters
demon drummer
stoke
383 posts
Reg: 6/3-11
Posted: 2012-07-14 11:15
What a top response spot on

GOUDG
Kidsgrove Stoke On Trent Staffordshire England
339 posts
Age: 55 years
Reg: 8/5-06
Posted: 2012-07-14 15:43   » Email
Ā porky prime cut well said couldnt have put it better

Giles
Cheshire
746 posts
Reg: 5/5-06
Posted: 2012-07-16 09:18
lordherzkatheter wrote:

Didn't mean to sound snappy, but I don't know... from reading your posts I gather you're more a fan of Steves than of the band. Perfectly alright for me, but - and that's what I don't get: we all acknowledge and respect Steves input, I think Dave and Steve were an amazing songwriting team, but a reunion is never, ever going to happen. And, it's been almost twenty years since that split happened, and from what I've heard, Steve himself also wouldn't want to be back in Demon anyway.

To me, it's a bit like the people still complaining about Marillion's "new singer" Steve Hogarth (he's been the new singer for 23 yeras now...) going "I don't know, I only like the stuff from the Fish-era". Again, perfectly valid opinion, but if you dislike what the band does nowadays, why not listen to some other music instead? There's loads of it out there, and a lot of it is quite brilliant!

The Hill/Watts partnership is a ship that sailed past us a long, long time ago, so why not accept it and "get on with it"?


Thanks for your considered, constructive and polite response.

Firstly, I am first and foremost a fan of Demon - very much so, so much so that I deplore the bad management and hideous 'dumbing down' of the music to such an extent I am willing to declare it here and make myself an outcast due to a lack of understanding from most of you people it seems. If you really understood what I was saying then you would understand that the band have NOT promoted themselves in a manner that would have done them justice and pleased you much more! Don't be sucked in by this unlucky/'singled out for hardship' stance.

As I have said in an earlier post/topic, I support Steve Watts here because I believe he has been a victim of this 'inner circle'/anti-music-business expensive control hobby. Plus also, I have the decency and respect to acknowledge his existence as a human being and musician. I enjoy his well-written blogs and posts etc. He wrote astonishing tracks for Demon. Add to that, he also seems to be the only person here to understand where I am coming from - and why the hell not would I befriend the fella????

The analogy with Marillion is wholly inappropriate - they still tried to be a successful act in the right manner for one! The problem is MUCH deeper than that....read the above again and some of my posts if it helps.

What a top response spot on


Not really. You mean, you agree with it, and it is better than anything you could have written.

Ā porky prime cut well said couldnt have put it better


NO, you could NOT Kevin!
[Edited 2012-07-16 09:21]

lordherzkatheter
Germany
31 posts
Reg: 24/3-10
Posted: 2012-07-16 17:09
If you talk about mismanagement: the way I understand it, the way Demon is managed is the way the band wants it. And that probably means that families, business, jobs etc. all have to be taken into account.

Of course it would have been great for Demon to be as big as Iron Maiden or Def Leppard, but those bands really had to sacrifice a lot in their lives to achieve that level of success. I've read interviews with Dave in 1989 where he said that he was quite happy with the level of success the band had achieved and that he wasn't even interested in the Rock Star thing anymore. I couldn't believe it back then (I was 15), how could a band that brilliant not want to conquer the world? These days, I totally get it. I believe that Dave, Mike & Co are happy the way things are, they have great lives (well, I hope so!), a great band (where they can do as they please without any interference - I don't think they have "dumbed down" their music, it's just the stuff they love to play these days!) - and that's probably as good as it gets! Cool
NP: Kate Bush - The Dreaming (album)
demon drummer
stoke
383 posts
Reg: 6/3-11
Posted: 2012-07-16 22:02
Yet again you speak absolute common sense mate totally totally 100 percent spot on ....

GOUDG
Kidsgrove Stoke On Trent Staffordshire England
339 posts
Age: 55 years
Reg: 8/5-06
Posted: 2012-07-16 22:51   » Email
Perfectamundo nice response lordherz
[Edited 2012-07-16 22:53]

Giles
Cheshire
746 posts
Reg: 5/5-06
Posted: 2012-07-18 15:43
If you talk about mismanagement: the way I understand it, the way Demon is managed is the way the band wants it. And that probably means that families, business, jobs etc. all have to be taken into account.


Agreed. However, the way the band want it to be managed now is a symptom of the way it has been managed in the past i.e. to the way Mike and Dave (particularly) wanted it to be. In other words, it is a part-time thing (that tries to look like a professional thing) now as a symtom of what has been done.

Of course it would have been great for Demon to be as big as Iron Maiden or Def Leppard, but those bands really had to sacrifice a lot in their lives to achieve that level of success. I've read interviews with Dave in 1989 where he said that he was quite happy with the level of success the band had achieved and that he wasn't even interested in the Rock Star thing anymore. I couldn't believe it back then (I was 15), how could a band that brilliant not want to conquer the world?


I make you 'bang on the money' there!


These days, I totally get it. I believe that Dave, Mike & Co are happy the way things are, they have great lives (well, I hope so!), a great band (where they can do as they please without any interference - I don't think they have "dumbed down" their music, it's just the stuff they love to play these days!) - and that's probably as good as it gets!


Again, very true, but how long has it been like that and how many ex-members (who since never had the stomach for the fight) and ex-fans have been gravely disappointed as a consequence of this quest to merely protect what HAD BEEN with Mal, to own Demon as a possession rather than allow it to grow, evolve and fulfil its great potential.

I have followed Demon (since early 80s) long enough to know that the effort isn?t really there outside a studio.


Kevin - Try making some sense and follow a discussion rather than merely agreeing with anyone that may disagree with me....if at all possible.

GOUDG
Kidsgrove Stoke On Trent Staffordshire England
339 posts
Age: 55 years
Reg: 8/5-06
Posted: 2012-07-18 16:34   » Email
Again you try to goad people into arguing with you sorry dude Im not biting go get your attention elsewhere Very Happy
Sam
Perth Western Australia
16 posts
Reg: 8/5-08
Posted: 2012-07-20 16:16
What Do You Think About Hell is my favourite Demon song.

And can somebody just turn off that annoying noise called Giles?

Giles
Cheshire
746 posts
Reg: 5/5-06
Posted: 2012-07-23 15:12
Again you try to goad people into arguing with you sorry dude Im not biting go get your attention elsewhere


It's called responding to a post directed at me Kevin. Did you go to school??
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